response from Christian Haslebacher on the opening statement Kurt Vetterli:
First I would like to clarify that I do not represent the position that the statements in 1 Timothy 2.12 be temporary or local, but I take the position that at least some of the statements in 1 Timothy 2.12 to the Situation in which Paul writes, is limited. Should there be similar situations elsewhere, the statements in 1 Timothy 2.12 also have full validity.
you lead in your opening statement of three arguments on the basis of which you derive the general validity of the statements in 1 Timothy 2.12 to 14 for the Church of Christ of all time until the second coming of Christ:
1) The direct relationship of the section (1 Tim 2.8 to 11),
2) the context of the whole script (order of creation and fall of 1 Tim 2.13 to 14; creation order of 1 Corinthians 11.8-9),
3) The wider context of the letter (1 Timothy conditions for elders 3:1-13; statement in 1 Timothy 3:14-15).
I suggest that we focus the debate on these first three arguments and deal first with the first argument, the direct connection of the section (1 Tim 2.8 to 11).
May I assume that you represent the position that the men have set aside in the municipality in all the places their hands in prayer, as Paul in 1 Tim 2.8 that asks?
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